Waar de Arabieren, Barbaren, Christenen & joden zó
SAMENKOMEN?
Hoe je het verder misschien ook
wel (of niet) graag of liever (nooit) zou willen hebben zien of laten gebeuren:
het blijft een feit dat ons hier en nu nog steeds mede gevormd is door die voorbije tientallen eeuwen op,
in, voor/door diverse continenten!
Zie ook:
The Effective History of Isaiah/Yeshayahu 53 in the Pre-Christian Period
and The Suffering Servant in Jewish & Christian Sources for some good arguments to this effect;
"The expectation of an eschatological suffering savior figure connected with Isaiah 53 cannot therefore be proven to exist with absolute certainty and in a clearly outlined form in pre-Christian Judaism. Nevertheless, a lot of indices that must be taken seriously in texts of very different provenance suggest that these types of expectations COULD (also) have existed at the mar-gins, next to many others?!
THIS WOULD THEN EXPLAIN
HOW A SUFFERING OR DYING MESSIAH SURFICES IN VARIOUS FORMS
WITH THE TANNAIM OF THE SECOND CENTURY C.E.,
and why Isaiah 53 is clearly interpreted messianically in the Targum & rabbinic texts"
While there are some points in such statements that require revision (?), the Targum is more a counter example than a supporting text, & for the most part spot on!? The Septuagint (Jewish Greek translation) to Isaiah 53 (second century B.C./BCE)
may already have read the Isa-iah passage as referring to the Messiah?!
WHILE IT IS UNIVERSALLY
ACKNOWLEDGED THAT MARK 14:61-64
are an unambiguous allusion
to Dani'el 7:13, scholars who cannot abide the idea
that Yesh himself claimed messianic status or to be the Son of Man
have either thus denied that these could have been Yesh's TRUE words
OR understood them as Yesh speaking about someone else.
THE CLEAR SENSE OF THESE WORDS, HOWEVER,
AS WRITTEN BY MARK IN
HIS GOSPEL IS THAT
HERE HE (Yesh)
SPEAKS OF
HIMSELF"?
Hoe je het verder misschien ook
wel (of niet) graag of liever (nooit) zou willen hebben zien of laten gebeuren:
het blijft een feit dat ons hier en nu nog steeds mede gevormd is door die voorbije tientallen eeuwen op,
in, voor/door diverse continenten!
Zie ook:
The Effective History of Isaiah/Yeshayahu 53 in the Pre-Christian Period
and The Suffering Servant in Jewish & Christian Sources for some good arguments to this effect;
"The expectation of an eschatological suffering savior figure connected with Isaiah 53 cannot therefore be proven to exist with absolute certainty and in a clearly outlined form in pre-Christian Judaism. Nevertheless, a lot of indices that must be taken seriously in texts of very different provenance suggest that these types of expectations COULD (also) have existed at the mar-gins, next to many others?!
THIS WOULD THEN EXPLAIN
HOW A SUFFERING OR DYING MESSIAH SURFICES IN VARIOUS FORMS
WITH THE TANNAIM OF THE SECOND CENTURY C.E.,
and why Isaiah 53 is clearly interpreted messianically in the Targum & rabbinic texts"
While there are some points in such statements that require revision (?), the Targum is more a counter example than a supporting text, & for the most part spot on!? The Septuagint (Jewish Greek translation) to Isaiah 53 (second century B.C./BCE)
may already have read the Isa-iah passage as referring to the Messiah?!
WHILE IT IS UNIVERSALLY
ACKNOWLEDGED THAT MARK 14:61-64
are an unambiguous allusion
to Dani'el 7:13, scholars who cannot abide the idea
that Yesh himself claimed messianic status or to be the Son of Man
have either thus denied that these could have been Yesh's TRUE words
OR understood them as Yesh speaking about someone else.
THE CLEAR SENSE OF THESE WORDS, HOWEVER,
AS WRITTEN BY MARK IN
HIS GOSPEL IS THAT
HERE HE (Yesh)
SPEAKS OF
HIMSELF"?
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