db 155b the early modern Kabbalist rabbi Moshe ~~~


ALSHEKH,
also a spotlessly
"orthodox" rabbinite teacher, writes,
"I may remark, then, that our Rabbis with one voice accept
and affirm the opinion that the prophet is speaking
of the King Messiah, and we ourselves also adhere
to the same view."

The intellectual giant of Spanish Jewry,
Rabbi Moses Ben Nahman, concedes that according to the midrash & the rabbis of the Talmud,
Isaiah 53 is entirely about the Messiah,
but he dissents.

As we see,
neither Judaism nor Jews
have ever spoken with one voice on this (hermeneutical) theological question,
and therefore there is no sense in which the assertion of many sufferings and rejection and contempt
for the Son of Man constitutes a break
with Judaism or the religion
of Israel!

Indeed,
in the Gospels
these ideas have been derived from the Torah (Scripture
in its broadest meaning) by that most Jewish of exegetical styles, the way of midrash.
I (DB) am not claiming that therefore the followers of Jesus did not originate this particular midrash,
rather, of and when they did so, the hermeneutical practice they were engaged in bespoke in itself
the "Jewishness" of their religious thinking and
imagination.

There is no
essentially Christian (drawn from the cross)
versus Jewish (triumphalist) notin of the Messiah,
but only one complex and contested messianic idea,
shared by Mark & Yeshu with the full community of the Jews.
The description of the Christ as predicting his own suffering
and then that very suffering in the Passion narrative,
the Passion of Christ,
does not in any way then contradict
the assertion of Martin Hengel
that "Christianity grew
ENTIRELY
out of Jewish
soil!"

Gospel Judaism
was straightforwardly
and completely a Jewish-messianic
movement, and the Gospel
the story of
the Jewish
Christ.

Alles
wat Mor
kan zeggen is
dat ik me dus zo
nu ook al van zeer jong af aan
helemaal heb thuisgevoeld in al die zg. Bijbelboekrolverhaaltjes
tussen Genesis & Apocalyps, Assyria, Babylon, Creta, de Egyptische farao's,
Grieken/Hellenen, Imperialisten, Joden, Kretenzers, Longobarden, Mongolen, Nederlanders,
Oostgangers, Polen, Querulanten, Russen, Slaven, Turken, Universalisten, Volksverhuizers, Wikingen,
Xenofoben & zombies all over THE Place! Het Kamp (de kampen) Erika & Vledder, Westerbork, Amersfoort, Vught, bijzondere jeugdzorg, huizen van bewaring & de diverse cellen UN gevangenissen, politiebureaux, internerings~ verward & quarantainekampen:
media barstensvol verhalen uit alle tijden en plaatsen via ogen & oren, verbeelding, fantasie & 'conclusies' van mensen.
Dan móet je wel 'dienstweigeren' om níet te leren schieten op je medemensen,
heen & weer gaan liften tussen provo & Toyosato, Qumran
& Birobeidjan, rivieren, oceanen
& kleine gehuchten?!
In díe zin vervult myDi
dus 'n prima rol als intern/extern spiritueel
spijsverteringsorgaan: er komt uit
wat je erin stopt
AHW/bwvs
...
engel OK! engel
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