4/4/5/1/8/8/666/333/111/999/111111 & 't nummer van
"'t beest"
On another scale,
one would put Tertullian with Rabbi Shim'on bar Yochai,
the most radical rejector of Rome,
its culture, its legitimacy, and its value
among the Tannaic figures.
Rabbi Shim'on is also represented as having visited Rabbi Akiva in prison
and having demanded that his teacher teach him Torah there,
almost surely an attempt to share his fate as "confessor"
and martyr.
Paradoxically,
these two rejectors of Rome
seem most strongly to be representing the Roman value
of honor {wassichliebtdassnecktsich ...?!},
while figures like Rabbi Yose ben Kisma & Clement in the Christian world,
in their accomodations to Rome,
represent more Hellenistic or old Jewish value systems.
Compare,
for instance,
the following texts.
The North African Christian Minucius Felix writes:
"All that the Romans hold, occupy, and possess is the spoil of outrage; their temples are all of loot drawn from the ruin of cities, the plunder of gods and the slaughter of priests!"
The Talmud relates that Rabbi Shim'on bar Yochai had very similar views to those of Minucius Felix.
They were opposed, however, by Rabbi Yehuda:
"Rabbi Yehuda, Rabbi Yose, and Rabbi Shim'on were sitting, and Rabbi Yehuda the son of converts was sitting before them. Rabbi Yehuda opened: How beautiful are the deeds of this nation [Rome].
They have established markets, bridges, and bathhouses. Rabbi Yose was silent.
Rabbi Shim'on the son of Yochai said: Everything they established,
they established only for themselves. Markets to seat prostitutes in them;
bath houses to pamper themselves; bridges to take tolls.
Yehuda the son of converts went and reported the matter and it was heard by the rulers.
They said Yehuda who praised, will be praised.
Yose who was silent will be exiled to Sepphoris [This is permanent deportatio to an unhealthy climate, also, for instance, substituted for execution in the beginning of the Decian persecutions of Christians]!
Shim'on who condemned, will be killed!"
We could almost imagine such a conversation between Clement and Tertullian.
Tertullian also shared with this same Rabbi Shim'on bar Yochai an absolute opposition to engaging in gainful employment. According to legend, when the latter was released from eleven years' hiding in a cave, he came out and saw Jews plowing and blasted them in his anger.
A Tertullian could have done no more?!
"We have nothing to do with the Jews,"
[Tertullian] wrote in the Apology,
but the prescriptions contained in the De Idololatria are remarkably similar
to those found in the Jewish Aboda Zara
of the same date!"
Kortom:
je krijgt zo wel
'n iets helderder beeld
van de wereld van 2000 jaar geleden
tussen het jaar "0" en de eeuwen die daarop volgden
onder Romeinse & Roomse overheersingen
en de diverse uiteenlopende reacties daarop
van tijdgenoten ~ Joden, Christenen,
Heidenen e.d.!
Wat mij opvalt
zijn vooral ook de overeenkomsten
met allerlei andere overheersers & overheersten in al
die tientallen eeuwen over
de hele wijde wereld?!
Speciaal
met 't Spaanse,
Franse, Engelse, Duitse, Turkse & Nederlandse/Belgische,
Chinese, Russische & vooral ook 't
Amerikaanse 'wereldrijk': onderdrukkers & al
hun uiteenlopende onderdrukten, hun verzet
via geweld & geduld,
terreur & cooperatie,
collaboratie &
'liefde'
...
one would put Tertullian with Rabbi Shim'on bar Yochai,
the most radical rejector of Rome,
its culture, its legitimacy, and its value
among the Tannaic figures.
Rabbi Shim'on is also represented as having visited Rabbi Akiva in prison
and having demanded that his teacher teach him Torah there,
almost surely an attempt to share his fate as "confessor"
and martyr.
Paradoxically,
these two rejectors of Rome
seem most strongly to be representing the Roman value
of honor {wassichliebtdassnecktsich ...?!},
while figures like Rabbi Yose ben Kisma & Clement in the Christian world,
in their accomodations to Rome,
represent more Hellenistic or old Jewish value systems.
Compare,
for instance,
the following texts.
The North African Christian Minucius Felix writes:
"All that the Romans hold, occupy, and possess is the spoil of outrage; their temples are all of loot drawn from the ruin of cities, the plunder of gods and the slaughter of priests!"
The Talmud relates that Rabbi Shim'on bar Yochai had very similar views to those of Minucius Felix.
They were opposed, however, by Rabbi Yehuda:
"Rabbi Yehuda, Rabbi Yose, and Rabbi Shim'on were sitting, and Rabbi Yehuda the son of converts was sitting before them. Rabbi Yehuda opened: How beautiful are the deeds of this nation [Rome].
They have established markets, bridges, and bathhouses. Rabbi Yose was silent.
Rabbi Shim'on the son of Yochai said: Everything they established,
they established only for themselves. Markets to seat prostitutes in them;
bath houses to pamper themselves; bridges to take tolls.
Yehuda the son of converts went and reported the matter and it was heard by the rulers.
They said Yehuda who praised, will be praised.
Yose who was silent will be exiled to Sepphoris [This is permanent deportatio to an unhealthy climate, also, for instance, substituted for execution in the beginning of the Decian persecutions of Christians]!
Shim'on who condemned, will be killed!"
We could almost imagine such a conversation between Clement and Tertullian.
Tertullian also shared with this same Rabbi Shim'on bar Yochai an absolute opposition to engaging in gainful employment. According to legend, when the latter was released from eleven years' hiding in a cave, he came out and saw Jews plowing and blasted them in his anger.
A Tertullian could have done no more?!
"We have nothing to do with the Jews,"
[Tertullian] wrote in the Apology,
but the prescriptions contained in the De Idololatria are remarkably similar
to those found in the Jewish Aboda Zara
of the same date!"
Kortom:
je krijgt zo wel
'n iets helderder beeld
van de wereld van 2000 jaar geleden
tussen het jaar "0" en de eeuwen die daarop volgden
onder Romeinse & Roomse overheersingen
en de diverse uiteenlopende reacties daarop
van tijdgenoten ~ Joden, Christenen,
Heidenen e.d.!
Wat mij opvalt
zijn vooral ook de overeenkomsten
met allerlei andere overheersers & overheersten in al
die tientallen eeuwen over
de hele wijde wereld?!
Speciaal
met 't Spaanse,
Franse, Engelse, Duitse, Turkse & Nederlandse/Belgische,
Chinese, Russische & vooral ook 't
Amerikaanse 'wereldrijk': onderdrukkers & al
hun uiteenlopende onderdrukten, hun verzet
via geweld & geduld,
terreur & cooperatie,
collaboratie &
'liefde'
...
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